I think this is something many of us “Older Folk” who have been in the worship leadership position have seen growing over the past fseveral years. While it’s exciting to see so many “youngsters” pursuing a passion for worship, it’s also a bit disheartening to see how much emphasis is placed on the earthly reward. Well said Tim!
Tim…I know exactly where you are coming from with this, and it has to be not just extremely frustrating, but heartbreaking as well. The cowboys have turned in their rawhides for pieces of silver. Sad, sad situation….the good part of it is…there are still those out there that play their music because they love music and they love God. It is their gift to Him and to those joining in. I know and see several of these Good Guys (and Girls) every week….and they bless my heart with true praise…and real worship.
i think 85% of the blame can go to the church. I have been paid anywhere from $50 to $200 a day to play at different churches. why? because they asked me to play. why turn down $200 to do something you love. especially when you’re jobless.
why on earth would a church pay one member of a band $200? that means that they atleast shelled out a grand for a sunday morning worship band. I mean, you cant get brother don off the 3rd row to sound like the frey, so paying someone that can makes total sense, right? I think the problem is that we’re too interested in getting people in the door and making church awesome so they’ll stay around instead of intentionally working out of the people in the local body. Now there is a whole generation of guys running around with telecasters and vintage tube amps trying to be steve fee every sunday.
no doubt that these little fees need to take responsibility and work in the local body that God has called them too, but i think we need to rethink how we present church and quit worrying how awesome we make it so that this little generation of sunday morning rock stars will go away.
by the way, i know only one guy who plays in a band thats worth a crap that also plays out on sunday mornings and his band is in next months issue of spin magazine. http://www.myspace.com/rantingsofeva
We had this discussion in a car in Orlando. I can’t remember who all was in it though. I had the same observation that people in the other areas of ministry are just as important. Student leaders put in a minimum of 3 to 4 hours a week at the church and then numerous other stuff like ballgames, movies, 2 am phone calls about relationships. I don’t think any of them would take money. I also see what Jason said if the church is willing to pay it why not. Why does the church put so much emphasis on looking good and the best production? When did the church become a competition for best sound and lights and best band? This is a touchy subject thanks for talking about it.
I am fairly new in my walk with Christ. I first heared that the person leading the singing and the band was a ‘worship leader’ I was a little confused. Is singing worshipping, Yes, but I guess my definition of worship was different. I think of singing as a small part of worshipping. I see it more as a combined effort of singing, praying, learning/ teaching, testifying. I love the band at my church, we have some great singers, players and artist, it’s part of what drew me into it initially.
I think this is something many of us “Older Folk” who have been in the worship leadership position have seen growing over the past fseveral years. While it’s exciting to see so many “youngsters” pursuing a passion for worship, it’s also a bit disheartening to see how much emphasis is placed on the earthly reward. Well said Tim!
March 18th, 2009 at 2:29 pmTim…I know exactly where you are coming from with this, and it has to be not just extremely frustrating, but heartbreaking as well. The cowboys have turned in their rawhides for pieces of silver. Sad, sad situation….the good part of it is…there are still those out there that play their music because they love music and they love God. It is their gift to Him and to those joining in. I know and see several of these Good Guys (and Girls) every week….and they bless my heart with true praise…and real worship.
March 18th, 2009 at 2:38 pmTim,
Powerful thoughts… May I be one of the older cowboys: in it with integrity, devoted to Christ AND the people.
Thanks for the post.
March 18th, 2009 at 2:51 pmI’m asking these questions right along with you man.
March 18th, 2009 at 3:06 pmi think 85% of the blame can go to the church. I have been paid anywhere from $50 to $200 a day to play at different churches. why? because they asked me to play. why turn down $200 to do something you love. especially when you’re jobless.
March 18th, 2009 at 3:09 pmwhy on earth would a church pay one member of a band $200? that means that they atleast shelled out a grand for a sunday morning worship band. I mean, you cant get brother don off the 3rd row to sound like the frey, so paying someone that can makes total sense, right? I think the problem is that we’re too interested in getting people in the door and making church awesome so they’ll stay around instead of intentionally working out of the people in the local body. Now there is a whole generation of guys running around with telecasters and vintage tube amps trying to be steve fee every sunday.
no doubt that these little fees need to take responsibility and work in the local body that God has called them too, but i think we need to rethink how we present church and quit worrying how awesome we make it so that this little generation of sunday morning rock stars will go away.
by the way, i know only one guy who plays in a band thats worth a crap that also plays out on sunday mornings and his band is in next months issue of spin magazine. http://www.myspace.com/rantingsofeva
Have fun, Tim, moving all these comments to the correct post.
I just came to tell you that the link to your old blog is broken on this post.
God’s best to you with the new church!
March 18th, 2009 at 3:41 pmWe had this discussion in a car in Orlando. I can’t remember who all was in it though. I had the same observation that people in the other areas of ministry are just as important. Student leaders put in a minimum of 3 to 4 hours a week at the church and then numerous other stuff like ballgames, movies, 2 am phone calls about relationships. I don’t think any of them would take money. I also see what Jason said if the church is willing to pay it why not. Why does the church put so much emphasis on looking good and the best production? When did the church become a competition for best sound and lights and best band? This is a touchy subject thanks for talking about it.
March 18th, 2009 at 8:49 pmI am fairly new in my walk with Christ. I first heared that the person leading the singing and the band was a ‘worship leader’ I was a little confused. Is singing worshipping, Yes, but I guess my definition of worship was different. I think of singing as a small part of worshipping. I see it more as a combined effort of singing, praying, learning/ teaching, testifying. I love the band at my church, we have some great singers, players and artist, it’s part of what drew me into it initially.
March 19th, 2009 at 4:07 pmwe need less worship pastors and more lead worshipers.
April 19th, 2009 at 10:53 pm